Shove or fold
limping is probably the worst thing you can do in this position
Quote from: Slo'mo on August 19, 2011, 12:51limping is probably the worst thing you can do in this positionActually I think a shove would be worse than a limp. There's not a lot of hands that would fold to an all in that you don't already have beat (or close to it). AK, AQ, AJ might fold (with the AK behind you obv, since you're one off the .png[/img], so there are still three to act). Every other hand that you're chasing off you have coin-flipped or crushed, or somewhere in between. So with a shove, you're only chasing off the hands you want to stay in, if that makes sense?With a limp, you can see a flop, (probably) see everyone act before you, and bet/check/fold based on the action and the flop. And I would easily consider limping w/ AK or AQ here. I've done it before basing my action on the fact that if I raise, I'm getting one caller (at least), and playing a big pot with two overs where I may have to commit to the hand all the way no matter what comes on the flop. That's my biggest problem with raising here with something as weak as ATo. My AK at least has showdown value against a single opponent. I don't want a 3-bet after a raise here, and I'd have to fold to some of the stacks at the table. But I'm also a big fan of taking down dead money after people limp! This is such a frustrating hand for me!
Yes it makes sense! That's why I post these things. It's impossible to grasp this stuff in the 20 seconds you get to act (hopefully). When I coach football I always emphasized what preparation does when taking time to think is not possible, or harmful to your cause. Reaction to situations is everything. And the way to hone your instincts is to learn, learn, learn. I disagree with the read on the situation (respectfully, of course! :-P). Your limp won't necessarily provoke a raise from behind you. I mean to say, that raise-as-a-bluff is coming (or not) if you fold or limp here - there are enough limps to make it worth it. A raise will most definitely stop a bluff, but it won't stop a legitimate all-in. So I think if you raise, you're taking away an opponent's chance to bet when they don't have you beat. I think a limp here may set you up for being the guy that gets to pick off the BB's bluff all-in. (Or you can duck out of the way when someone's limped 88 picks him off!) ;-) Or! even better, you can choose to NOT pick off the bluff, since it's a significant amount with a iffy hand.
It's those weak Aces you want out
Quote from: Slo'mo on August 19, 2011, 02:29It's those weak Aces you want outNo! No it's not! You're like 65% to win over those hands! against 22 you're like 48% and change! You WANT the small aces in there. You DON'T want AJ where you're 23% or AQ where you're 25%. And a raise won't necessarily chase them away.
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